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		<title>By: today at reverendmother</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-56646</link>
		<author>today at reverendmother</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also trying to figure out what to do with our dining room. As I&#8217;ve written before, we use it very rarely, and could use some more play or creative space for the kids, and a place [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] also trying to figure out what to do with our dining room. As I&#8217;ve written before, we use it very rarely, and could use some more play or creative space for the kids, and a place [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Songbird</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-37522</link>
		<author>Songbird</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, form and re-form.
That's what I preached about the other day. But I guess I want to say be careful about what is discarded along the way in case it becomes useful again in a different way. It's the baby/bathwater dilemma, isn't it? 
The first time I bought a piece of anything for my own house, with no one else's input, it was an amazing experience. Churches that start from scratch get to do that, not only get to, but must. I find that enticing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, form and re-form.<br />
That&#8217;s what I preached about the other day. But I guess I want to say be careful about what is discarded along the way in case it becomes useful again in a different way. It&#8217;s the baby/bathwater dilemma, isn&#8217;t it?<br />
The first time I bought a piece of anything for my own house, with no one else&#8217;s input, it was an amazing experience. Churches that start from scratch get to do that, not only get to, but must. I find that enticing.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-37284</link>
		<author>Beth</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I agree with PPB.  Keep the table - but either civerit with a protetive cloth for Artys craftsy stuff, or manuver it to use as a reading/writing table in the "library."

Use the old communion set as part of baptisim.  Use the chalace (sp?) for the water pourer - how much more literal can we get with washing away the sin with Christ' blood?? :)  

There can be the mix of mom and dad and grandma and grandpa with Greeday and The Donnas.  You just do it.  Don't think about it.

Beth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I agree with PPB.  Keep the table - but either civerit with a protetive cloth for Artys craftsy stuff, or manuver it to use as a reading/writing table in the &#8220;library.&#8221;</p>
<p>Use the old communion set as part of baptisim.  Use the chalace (sp?) for the water pourer - how much more literal can we get with washing away the sin with Christ&#8217; blood?? <img src='http://reverendmother.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>There can be the mix of mom and dad and grandma and grandpa with Greeday and The Donnas.  You just do it.  Don&#8217;t think about it.</p>
<p>Beth</p>
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		<title>By: ppb</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-37217</link>
		<author>ppb</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-37217</guid>
		<description>See, here's the thing: I WANT to use the old sterling communion set. Just not as a communion set.  I wish I could think of a creative re-use of it, because to me its history is so precious...but I can't think of one right now.  I wish I could. 

I did visit a church that had this really, really cool display in its fellowship hall. It was a display of crosses---I guess it started after a renovation and there was a sanctuary cross with sentimental value.  Anyway, that cross was there, but also handcrafted crosses from every region where they'd done a mission trip, Sunday School crafts...it was beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, here&#8217;s the thing: I WANT to use the old sterling communion set. Just not as a communion set.  I wish I could think of a creative re-use of it, because to me its history is so precious&#8230;but I can&#8217;t think of one right now.  I wish I could. </p>
<p>I did visit a church that had this really, really cool display in its fellowship hall. It was a display of crosses&#8212;I guess it started after a renovation and there was a sanctuary cross with sentimental value.  Anyway, that cross was there, but also handcrafted crosses from every region where they&#8217;d done a mission trip, Sunday School crafts&#8230;it was beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: spookyrach</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-37155</link>
		<author>spookyrach</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good point.</p>
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		<title>By: reverendmother</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-37123</link>
		<author>reverendmother</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-37123</guid>
		<description>And at that point we re-convert the space, right? Rather than leaving it as a museum piece while waiting for that day to come. That was my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And at that point we re-convert the space, right? Rather than leaving it as a museum piece while waiting for that day to come. That was my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Songbird</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-36992</link>
		<author>Songbird</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise so many good points. 

But on the home front, remember those little children of yours will be big children someday, and the dining room table won't seem so out of scale for your family's needs. There is nothing I like better than sitting at my mother's old table in our dining room, with all the people I love most. Yes, like a house church, they will outgrow the space, psycho-spiritual if not physical, and form their own homes in time. But for now, we are all nurtured around that table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise so many good points. </p>
<p>But on the home front, remember those little children of yours will be big children someday, and the dining room table won&#8217;t seem so out of scale for your family&#8217;s needs. There is nothing I like better than sitting at my mother&#8217;s old table in our dining room, with all the people I love most. Yes, like a house church, they will outgrow the space, psycho-spiritual if not physical, and form their own homes in time. But for now, we are all nurtured around that table.</p>
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		<title>By: ppb</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-36985</link>
		<author>ppb</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-36985</guid>
		<description>I love creative re-use.  I'm enough of a sentimental person that I hate dumping out old "stuff" but I like to see it re-tooled, re-worked.  My dad took his mother's dining room table, and cut the legs down to coffee table height.  It's now the best ever coffee table--when they want to eat in the living room, they pull up the sides.  (We can squish 8 people around it for pizza on the floor).  I love that it's grandma's table, and that meals were shared there--but it's re-used, re-tooled.   

We had a worship service a couple weeks ago that was entirely old texts to new tunes, and i LOVED it.  I love the Hampton "There's a Wideness" and there's a gorgeous new tune for "Love Divine." 

What surpises me is that my college students are the same way.  They don't want to tear the pews out of the chapel (though the liturgist does).  They just want to re-arrange them.  They don't want to get rid of the organ. They just want to pair it with piano.  They're sort of cutting down mama's wedding dress to make a new veil.    Well, they would be if people let them. 

Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love creative re-use.  I&#8217;m enough of a sentimental person that I hate dumping out old &#8220;stuff&#8221; but I like to see it re-tooled, re-worked.  My dad took his mother&#8217;s dining room table, and cut the legs down to coffee table height.  It&#8217;s now the best ever coffee table&#8211;when they want to eat in the living room, they pull up the sides.  (We can squish 8 people around it for pizza on the floor).  I love that it&#8217;s grandma&#8217;s table, and that meals were shared there&#8211;but it&#8217;s re-used, re-tooled.   </p>
<p>We had a worship service a couple weeks ago that was entirely old texts to new tunes, and i LOVED it.  I love the Hampton &#8220;There&#8217;s a Wideness&#8221; and there&#8217;s a gorgeous new tune for &#8220;Love Divine.&#8221; </p>
<p>What surpises me is that my college students are the same way.  They don&#8217;t want to tear the pews out of the chapel (though the liturgist does).  They just want to re-arrange them.  They don&#8217;t want to get rid of the organ. They just want to pair it with piano.  They&#8217;re sort of cutting down mama&#8217;s wedding dress to make a new veil.    Well, they would be if people let them. </p>
<p>Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-36984</link>
		<author>Ashley</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-36984</guid>
		<description>My colleague and I joked we wanted to unlock the cabinet that held the sterling silver communion set, leaving it open with the hope someone would steal it. But then we realized without some education, someone would go out and buy a new set. 

Several years later, after conversations and education, we re-designed our worship space to be almost in the round, incorporating tradition and contemporary. Big learning point for me: what most people think is tradition is really socially constructed understanding of worship---we create worship to fit a norm, power and comfort zone. Once we got to the point of connecting what should be based on early church, biblical understandings of worship, we have this sanctuary based on the principals of welcome, intimacy, community and equality. We don't use the sterling communion set anymore. Nobody misses it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My colleague and I joked we wanted to unlock the cabinet that held the sterling silver communion set, leaving it open with the hope someone would steal it. But then we realized without some education, someone would go out and buy a new set. </p>
<p>Several years later, after conversations and education, we re-designed our worship space to be almost in the round, incorporating tradition and contemporary. Big learning point for me: what most people think is tradition is really socially constructed understanding of worship&#8212;we create worship to fit a norm, power and comfort zone. Once we got to the point of connecting what should be based on early church, biblical understandings of worship, we have this sanctuary based on the principals of welcome, intimacy, community and equality. We don&#8217;t use the sterling communion set anymore. Nobody misses it.</p>
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		<title>By: Preacher Mom</title>
		<link>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-36983</link>
		<author>Preacher Mom</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://reverendmother.org/2007-10-30/the-not-so-big-housechurch#comment-36983</guid>
		<description>I love this conversation! I think it is so possible to incorporate the old into a new creation - workable and meaningful to both the older and newer generations. Why does it have to be so hard to do??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this conversation! I think it is so possible to incorporate the old into a new creation - workable and meaningful to both the older and newer generations. Why does it have to be so hard to do??</p>
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